The Jay & Tony Show Show - Vertically Challenged

40 episoder

140 - Silence of the LLMs - Eddie Yoon Part 2
26.05.2026 | 35 min.
Jay and Tony continue their conversation with Eddie Yoon as they dive into AI actors, infinity contracts, dead celebrity licensing, fake movie trailers, and the very real possibility that Hollywood may eventually decide physical reality is simply too expensive.

They debate whether AI actually democratizes creativity or just hands the keys to a new class of gatekeepers wearing Patagonia vests. Eddie breaks down why every studio is already quietly building AI systems, what happens when machines learn your taste better than you do, and why "creative instinct" may soon be something you license.

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139 - Overheard at the LA Vertical Market
19.05.2026 | 43 min.
Jay ventured to the LA Vertical Market so Tony didn't have to. From AI panic to talks on data-driven storytelling to debates over how to properly carry a woman out of a room, the guys unpack the weird, fascinating, slightly dystopian future of micro dramas. Along the way, they get into China's production of tens of thousands of AI titles a month, the fact that comedy somehow still works, and a world worshiping new technology even though nobody can explain who owns anything anymore. Equal parts industry therapy session and cynical autopsy.

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138 - Silence of the LLMs - Eddie Yoon Part 1
12.05.2026 | 29 min.
Jay and Tony sit down with AI researcher and media analyst Eddie Yoon to dissect the bizarre, thrilling, slightly cursed new era of AI-first creativity, where everyone is pretending there's a rulebook, but everyone's too scared to read it. They dig into why every AI short somehow looks like Bridgerton got trapped in a perfume ad, the coming vertical drama land grab, algorithmic storytelling, and Gen Z's bold decision to skip the whole "learn the craft" portion of the career journey.

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#137 - The Woman Who Built The L.A. Vertical Drama Market - Dana Protsyshak
05.05.2026 | 43 min.
This week, Jay and Tony sit down with Dana Protsyshak to talk vertical drama—aka the industry where everyone thinks it's easy until they try it and get humbled immediately. They get into why Hollywood veterans struggle, why audiences say one thing but watch another, and whether the whole business model is genius or barely holding together.

Plus: competing with big apps, why LA is too expensive, and the ongoing AI debate—helpful tool or job-stealing robot.

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#136 - The CEO Who Doesn't Believe in Ego (But Built a Media Empire Anyway) - Bogdan Nesvit Part 2
28.04.2026 | 32 min.
In Part 2, Jay and Tony get into the bloodsport behind one of entertainment's fastest-growing categories. Bogdan breaks down why the market is already more saturated than people think, why most new entrants are dead on arrival, and what the biggest companies are really up against if they want to survive.

They also talk about the race for micro drama's first true prestige hit, why so many companies mistake polish for innovation, why ads may win over subscriptions in the long run, and how AI is about to remake production faster than most people are ready for. Including the very chill possibility that audiences may not be able to tell what's AI and what's live action.

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The Jay & Tony Show Show - Vertically Challenged Two partners. One podcast. Zero patience for stale TV. Hollywood talks a big game about "disruption," but the real shift is happening overseas, where short-form dramas, aka Verticals, aka Micro Dramas, are pulling in billions of eyeballs. These snack-sized soap operas are addictive, unstoppable, and reshaping how stories are told. We're digging into why Verticals are both Hollywood's blind spot and its golden ticket, what creators and execs need to understand fast, and why the next generation of creators is building a whole new playbook. Instagram: @vertically_challenged_pod_jtss TikTok: @vertically_challe5 YouTube: @vertically_challenged_pod_jtss The Jay and Tony Show: www.jayandtonyshow.com

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