God on the Move Podcast

In this episode of God on the Move, Totok Wiryasaputra shares how he helped start and now leads the Indonesian Association of Psycho-Spiritual Counselors (IAPC) to raise mental-health awareness and develop psycho-spiritual caregiving within Indonesian churches across denominations. He describes Indonesia’s complex religious and political tensions across regions, the stigma and spiritual framing of mental illness, and the church’s tendency toward ritual and numerical growth rather than holistic, incarnational care. Totok explains IAPC’s grassroots approach—training pastors and church members, travelling to provinces for annual meetings, and integrating psychology and faith amid scepticism from both secular clinicians and conservative Christians—while noting challenges in practical follow-through after training. He outlines his “Hexagonal Church” dream centered on caring as a biblical, historical, ecclesiological, spiritual, operational, and cultural framework, recounts his upbringing in a remote village shaped by missionaries, and shares his ongoing grief-counseling and online ministry at age 75. He closes with a call for unity in a “post-apologetical” posture and a request for international partners to come to Indonesia and share experiences at IAPC gatherings.

 

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IAPC

About the Hexagonal Church

 

🧑‍💻 About Totok

Totok Soemartho Wiryasaputra is an Indonesian theologian, pastoral counselor, and psychospiritual care leader, born in Kulon Progo, Yogyakarta. With decades of ministry experience as a local pastor, hospital chaplain, psychosocial practitioner, and professor of pastoral care and counseling, Totok has become a leading voice in grief care and psychospiritual counseling in Indonesia. He is the co-founder of the Indonesian Association of Psychospiritual Counselors (IAPC), served as its National Board Chairperson (2017–2022), and currently serves as Executive Director. He has also authored more than 35 published books in Indonesian, many focused on grief psychotherapy, counseling, and church-based mental health ministry.

 

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In this episode of God on the Move, Ayouba Abdoulaye shares his inspiring journey from receiving his first Bible in a small village in Niger to becoming a spiritual assistant at CURE Hospital in Niamey. Ayouba discusses the challenges faced by the small Christian community in this predominantly Muslim country, including persecution, political instability, and the presence of extremist groups. He also reflects on his personal faith journey, the impact of missionaries, and the ongoing need for prayers and support from the global church. Hear how the Bible, powerful sermons, and the hope of Jesus Christ keep him going in the face of adversity.

 

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CURE Hospital

 

🧑‍💻 About Ayouba

Abdoulaye Chaibou Ayouba is from Torodi and currently resides in Niamey, NIger, where he serves as Assistant Spiritual Director. He is involved in spiritual guidance, moral formation, and community support, walking closely with individuals and groups as they grow in faith and character. Through his role, he is committed to strengthening spiritual life and fostering hope, responsibility, and unity within the community.

 

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In this episode of God on the Move, Mohsin Hanif shares his journey of faith and ministry in the rural areas near Lahore, Pakistan. Mohsin, along with his wife, has been working to bridge the gap between Muslim and Christian communities through education and practical acts of kindness. They started the 'Leaders in Learning Ministry' to create opportunities for both Muslim and Christian children to learn together. Despite facing significant challenges and social barriers, their effort to foster relationships and show Christ's love has led to transformative changes in their community. Through their school and various initiatives like sewing classes and kids' clubs, they have successfully built long-term friendships and mutual respect among different faiths. Mohsin also highlights the risks and hurdles they face in sharing the gospel in a predominantly Muslim society, emphasizing the importance of showing love before evangelizing.

In this episode of God on the Move, Dave Coles shares his journey from pastoring in the U.S. to church planting in Indonesia. He discusses his work with Muslims and the importance of understanding and respecting diverse worldviews. Dave highlights the immense growth and impact of Church Planting Movements (CPMs) and Disciple Making Movements (DMMs), emphasizing reproducible practices, obedience-based discipleship, and family-focused evangelism. He also addresses the challenges and successes of contextual missions and the role of the global church in advancing God's kingdom. Through personal anecdotes and scriptural insights, Dave showcases how God is actively working across the world, transforming lives and communities through faith and obedience.

 

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Leaders in Learning Instagram

Leaders in Learning Facebook

🧑‍💻 About Mohsin

Mohsin Hanif accepted Jesus Christ as his Savior at the age of 16. Together with his wife, he has been serving the Church since their teenage years. Both are M.Div graduates and are dedicated to reaching unreached slum communities in Pakistan by providing education and practical skills training. Their ministry serves both Muslim and Christian communities, with a heart to see lives transformed through education and the gospel. Mohsin is a pastor, husband, and educationist, committed to reaching the unreached through education.

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In this episode of God on the Move, Dave Coles shares his journey from pastoring in the U.S. to church planting in Indonesia. He discusses his work with Muslims and the importance of understanding and respecting diverse worldviews. Dave highlights the immense growth and impact of Church Planting Movements (CPMs) and Disciple Making Movements (DMMs), emphasizing reproducible practices, obedience-based discipleship, and family-focused evangelism. He also addresses the challenges and successes of contextual missions and the role of the global church in advancing God's kingdom. Through personal anecdotes and scriptural insights, Dave showcases how God is actively working across the world, transforming lives and communities through faith and obedience.

 

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Book: God on the Move: Making Disciples Among the Nations

Book: Living Fire: Advancing God’s Kingdom in Challenging Places

Book: Cabbages in the Desert: How God Transformed a Devout Muslim and Catalyzed Disciple Making Movements among Unreached Peoples

Podcast: Training Women Leaders in the United Arab Emirates for the Glory of God

 

🧑‍💻 About Dave

Dave Coles is an encourager and resourcer of church-planting movements among unreached groups, serving with Beyond. He has dozens of articles published about church-planting movements, contextualization, reaching Muslims, and the nature of the church. Among other publications, he is the author of Jonathan Edwards on Movements, coauthor of Bhojpuri Breakthrough: A Movement that Keeps Multiplying, coeditor of 24:14 – A Testimony to All Peoples, and associate editor of Motus Dei: The Movement of God to Disciple the Nations.

 

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In this episode of God on the Move, Azar Ajaj shares his journey as an Evangelical Palestinian Israeli navigating the complex identities and socio-political challenges of living in Israel. Azar, president of Nazareth Evangelical College, discusses his testimony, his mission to bring a message of peace and forgiveness, and the difficulties faced by his community. He emphasizes the need for Christians to live out their faith actively and to be missionaries in their everyday lives. Join us to hear about Azar's work in equipping pastors, his family's story, and the importance of love and justice in building bridges between divided groups. Hear about the challenges of maintaining Christian faith amidst the political and social turbulence in the Holy Land, and pray for lasting peace and reconciliation.

 

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Nazareth Evangelical College

Podcast: Episode 27: The Complexity of Faith

 

🧑‍💻 About Azar

 

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