After the Deluge

My guests are Mike Kinsella and Steve Lamos of American Football, who put out their fourth self-titled LP earlier this year.
We talk about being rewritten into a history they weren’t part of, Nick Drake, Bright Eyes (because I shoehorn it in), American Football as a minimalist project, Pinback/Mogwai/Tortoise, how they wrote then vs. how they write now, the neuroscience of syncopation, the GQ profile from earlier this year, the Top-200 Emo Albums of All Time, The Tony Kornheiser Show, and the confluence of sports and indie music. And more of course!
AF: https://www.americanfootballmusic.com/
Me: instagram.com/routinelayup

Claire Carusillo is the author of The Responsible Party (out Aug. 11) and co-owner of Storyboard—a book shore/skate shop in Midway, UT. We talk about Baller*na Farm turning the town into a Tradwife Mecca, her family’s real-life shipwreck history, hot tub maintenance, bunking up in a lighthouse, how Ch*tGPT has ruined Reality TV recaps, writing at the crack of dawn, and the book coming out very very soon. 
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Get the book:
https://us.macmillan.com/books/9781250408631/theresponsibleparty/

The original Jackson Browne interview just got hit with a c*pyright strike, so here's a video version without the song clips. Originally aired in 2023.
Our guest on the Season One finale is Jackson Browne (!) and we talk about his whole career, from writing "These Days" at 16 up to his latest record, Downhill From Everywhere. Reach me at delugepodcast@gmail.com.
LISTEN TO THE FULL JACKSON BROWNE SEASON
https://www.patreon.com/collection/16831

2:00 - The Dreamer
7:20 - “I can’t write a song that simple”
10:00 - “Somebody’s Baby” & simple songs
13:00 - Describing life to yourself is a cool job
16:45 - The ocean is downhill from everywhere
20:00 - Sylvia Earle and the Blue Heart of the planet
23:00 - "We need the ocean to survive"
22:45 - Coming down from acid and getting a song idea on the freeway
32:00 - Jamming with Greg Copeland and Greg Leisz
36:00 - The invaluable nature of session musicians (and how Jackson treats them)
41:45 - Me sharing an dorky story about a Jackson Browne show
43:25 - Playing acoustic and why have 10 guitars up there
49:30 - Are guitar solos dead?
52:45 - On Phoebe Bridgers, Dawes, Tal Wilkenfeld, and other young artists
54:20 - The last lines of "These Days" explained

Jonathan Bernstein is a Senior Research Editor for Rolling Stone and author of the new book What Do You Do When You’re Lonesome? — the authorized biography of Justin Townes Earle. You can buy it now.
We talk about the night we learned of Justin's death, songs about heroin and crack, writing descriptively about finger picking, Justin made his father the villain, the last quarter-century of roots music, O Brother, Where Art Thou?, fashion, self-sabotage, Chicago, "Movin' On," writing a book about someone who bends the truth and/or lies, Justin's childhood, the post-CD-pre-streaming era, "Mama's Eyes," and finally Jonathan's favorite JTE record.
Get the book! https://www.dacapopress.com/titles/jonathan-bernstein/what-do-you-do-when-youre-lonesome/9780306833274/
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Chris DeVille is Managing Editor at Stereogum and author of the book Such Great Heights, available for preorder now. We talk about the 2007 Bon Iver debut album, For Emma, Forever Ago. Also going cabin-mode in the Wisconsin winter, this album's lore, the indie landscape in '08, Pitchfork kingmaking, The OC, Garden State, Popt*mism, gentrifying indie music, hearing "Skinny Love" at my bad recession-era office job, "Flume" as a thesis, stacking falsetto harmonies, the lyrics, staring out windows at crows, Sable, bass-fishing boats, "Re: Stacks" and final tracks, cooking with minimal ingredients, Blood Bank EP, the pursuit of hipness and the evolution of indie rock. Order Chris's book.
Blood Bank EP episode is live now on Patreon: patreon.com/afterthedeluge
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